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    Bergoglio Confronts Benedict About the Abusive Priests

    from The Two Popes

    Written by Anthony McCarten

    The Two Popes

    2 min · 2 characters · Any gender · 55+

    Cardinal Bergoglio confronts Pope Benedict XVI about the Church's failure to address systemic abuse and its focus on tradition over human suffering.

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    RATZINGER

    I’m not familiar with this part of the garden...

    BERGOGLIO

    If there is some shade.

    RATZINGER

    Yes, and perhaps we’ll find God over there. On “the journey”! I’ll introduce you to him. We defend two thousand years of tradition. But Bergoglio knows better.

    BERGOGLIO

    We - have spent these last years disciplining anyone who questions the line on…

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    5 sections
    About This Scene

    Written by Anthony McCarten, this contemporary dramatic duologue from The Two Popes captures an intense moral confrontation between two leading figures of the Catholic Church. Walking through an unfamiliar, neglected path in the grounds of Castel Gandolfo, Cardinal Bergoglio directly challenges Pope Benedict XVI regarding the institution's catastrophic failure to address systemic abuse. The exchange pits the rigid preservation of tradition and institutional authority against moral responsibility and human suffering, raising the emotional stakes to their absolute limit.

    Character Analysis

    Ratzinger represents institutional preservation, intellectual tradition, and the heavy burden of governance over a global organization. While he displays physical frailty and unease in an overgrown setting, he instinctively defends church protocol until forced to reckon with the horrifying moral reality of the crisis. Bergoglio acts as the urgent voice of conscience and reform. Motivated by grief and righteous indignation, he systematically dismantles bureaucratic excuses, demanding accountability rather than the quiet suppression of institutional guilt.

    Why This Works for Auditions

    This two-minute scene provides two mature performers with an exceptional showcase of high-stakes dramatic tension. The dialogue avoids melodramatic histrionics, relying instead on intellectual precision, heavy subtext, and deeply rooted moral convictions. Casting directors can quickly assess an actor's gravitas, listening skills, and ability to handle mature thematic weight with dignity and restraint.

    Best Suited For

    The piece is ideally suited for performers aged 55 and older who align with authority figure, sophisticated, patriarch, or intense casting types. It serves as prime material for self-tapes, agent showcases, and advanced scene study practice. Both roles offer equally compelling viewpoints, making the piece a balanced and potent showcase for two mature actors.

    Performance Tips

    Ground the scene in the physical reality of the walk, allowing the physical environment to reflect the discomfort and isolation of the conversation. Resist the urge to turn the confrontation into an explosive shouting match; the true power of the text lies in quiet, searing truth-telling. Pay close attention to active listening and the underlying pain of both men, ensuring that Bergoglio attacks the institutional failure rather than merely venting anger, and that Ratzinger visibly absorbs the profound horror of the revelations.

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